The best networking groups in Columbus, Ohio for marketers and freelancers are the ones that match where your clients work: a small suburban chamber, one structured referral group, and one industry room. Most rooms in this city will not move your business. A handful will, and this guide tells you which ones.
It comes from Andy Milligan, founder of MMG Design and the Columbus Marketing Organization and VP of Membership at AMA Columbus. Andy spent several years attending nearly every networking group in Columbus while building a freelance business that brought in $200,000 in topline revenue in its first year. In the video at the top of this page, he ranks 19 groups across five categories. This article expands each verdict with who the group is for, so you can pick the two or three that fit you and skip the rest.
If you are new to the city, start with the bigger picture of the Columbus marketing community and then come back to choose your rooms.
"Most networking groups in Columbus will not move you forward an inch and probably are not worth your time, but a handful of them will." Andy Milligan
How to choose networking groups in Columbus, Ohio
Columbus is a lot of city to network in.
The metro reached 2,242,028 residents in 2025 and grew at roughly twice the national rate, according to the U.S. Census Bureau's Vintage 2025 population estimates. The marketing field here is crowded too. The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics May 2025 occupational estimates for the Columbus metro count 5,880 market research analysts and marketing specialists, 2,330 marketing managers, 1,840 public relations specialists, and 1,470 graphic designers.
That is more than 11,000 people in core marketing roles, plus every freelancer and agency owner who does not show up in those counts.
You cannot be in every room, so filter before you register. Three questions do most of the work:
- Where do your clients live and work? Chambers are geographic. A Westerville bakery owner will never see you at a Dublin breakfast.
- How established are you? If you are brand new, you need repetitions explaining what you do. If you already have a network, you need rooms where you can give and receive referrals.
- Do you want structure or a casual room? Formal referral groups meet on a schedule and track introductions. Mixers and meetups are looser and better for relationship building.
Andy ranks every group below the way he would as a freelance marketer trying to land clients. Use his verdicts as a starting point, then trust your own results after two or three visits.
Chambers of commerce: start with geography
Chambers are organized by city or suburb, and the right one depends on where you live and who you serve. Andy's verdict for the whole category: "Stick with geography, start small, and if you see good results in your local chamber, then maybe upgrade to the Columbus one."
1. Columbus Chamber of Commerce
The Columbus Chamber of Commerce is the largest chamber in the region, with thousands of member businesses. Andy was a member for two years. Membership includes a dedicated account manager, which is uncommon among chambers, and access to events that are not publicly listed.
Who it is for: Established freelancers and agencies serving larger or citywide clients. Skip it if you are brand new to freelancing. It is a competitive room, and smaller chambers usually return more value early on.
2. Westerville Area Chamber of Commerce
The Westerville Area Chamber is small and tight-knit, and it often runs free events. Who it is for: Anyone getting started who lives or works on the north side of Columbus.
3. Worthington Area Chamber of Commerce
The Worthington Area Chamber is a growing chamber in one of the strongest suburbs in the region. Andy has attended two or three of its events and had positive experiences at each. Who it is for: Freelancers and small agencies based in or near Worthington.
4. Dublin Chamber of Commerce
The Dublin Chamber is the chamber Andy sees growing fastest in 2026. It runs early morning events and evening happy hours. Who it is for: Marketers who live near Dublin or serve the businesses headquartered there.
Business networking in Columbus, Ohio: local referral networks
These groups exist to help business owners meet and refer each other. For freelancers they are full of potential clients, because, as Andy puts it, every business needs marketing.
5. Connected Networking Group
Connected Networking Group is built for small startups, freelancers, and small businesses. It hosts coworking events, evening mixers, and laid-back gatherings, and many attendees are new to networking. Who it is for: Anyone who wants low-pressure practice explaining what they do.
6. Innovate New Albany
Innovate New Albany is one of Andy's favorites. "There are a lot of credible high-caliber business owners that attend these things," he says.
The group runs lunch and learn workshops, most of them free, plus evening events, and recently moved into the Brick House Blue coworking space in New Albany. Andy has met several strong referral partners here. Who it is for: Freelancers who want to meet established business owners on the east side.
7. AmSpirit Business Connections
AmSpirit Business Connections has chapters across Ohio and the Midwest and works much like BNI. Each chapter meets every couple of weeks, members give a short "30-second commercial" about their services, and only one business in each category can join a chapter. Andy was a member of the Dublin chapter for almost two years before deciding it was not the best fit for his business.
Who it is for: Newer freelancers who want a structured room where they are the only marketer. Andy recommends trying a formal referral group at least once to get good at explaining what you do. Skip it if structured referral formats make your skin crawl.
8. Columbus Young Professionals Club
Columbus Young Professionals runs workshops, panels, and socials, often several a week. The name is a brand, not a strict age gate, and the guideline is roughly under 40. Andy joined at 23. Who it is for: Marketers who want a diverse, consistent event calendar and a read on the early-career job market.
9. H7 Network
H7 is a coworking space and community where networking happens organically. Its meetings follow a familiar format: go around the circle, introduce yourself, and meet other business owners. Andy compares it to AmSpirit. Who it is for: Freelancers who like a structured introduction format in a coworking setting.
10. Dublin Entrepreneurial Center
The Dublin Entrepreneurial Center (DEC) is a large coworking and startup hub in Dublin with accelerator programs and panels. Some larger, funded, and venture-backed companies work out of the building. Who it is for: Marketers near Dublin who want to meet founders before they hire an agency.
Tech and startup networking groups in Columbus
Andy calls Columbus one of the best startup scenes in the country. If your clients are in tech, or your network already is, these rooms carry the most weight.
11. OhioX Morning Tech
OhioX hosts a monthly breakfast for tech professionals, built around a theme such as AI or machine learning. Andy calls it the industry standard for the Columbus tech crowd and notes that funders and founders both attend. Who it is for: Marketers who serve tech companies.
12. TechLife Columbus
TechLife Columbus runs meetups, workshops, and social events for the whole tech community. It is less formal than OhioX and draws an earlier-stage crowd. Who it is for: Casual relationship building with startup founders.
13. Startup Columbus
Startup Columbus is mostly an online community that shares ecosystem news, pitch competitions, and occasional in-person events. Andy's verdict: bookmark it and keep it on the back burner. There are higher-return places to spend your time first.
14. ProductCamp Columbus
ProductCamp Columbus is an annual conference for product managers. Product managers are either strong referral partners or ideal clients, depending on what kind of marketing you do. Who it is for: B2B and SaaS marketers.
15. Rev1 Ventures
Rev1 Ventures is a Columbus venture capital firm with its own coworking space. For most marketers it is a top-level awareness play. Who it is for: Marketers building something fundable or serving funded startups. Everyone else can keep it on the back burner.
Media and civic groups
These are not networking events in the strict sense, but they gather influential people in Columbus, and it never hurts to know them.
16. Columbus Business First
Columbus Business First is best known as a business publication, and it also runs events, awards, and panels that draw many of the city's decision makers. Andy believes most of its events are paid and still recommends attending at least one.
17. Columbus Metropolitan Club
The Columbus Metropolitan Club hosts a weekly luncheon forum on civic and policy topics. This is the one group on the list Andy has not attended himself, though mutual connections speak well of it. It is not marketing-focused, but the people in the room are people worth knowing.
Specialty networking groups
18. Purpose Jobs
Purpose Jobs is a talent marketplace for purpose-driven companies, startups, and nonprofits, and it still hosts community events. It is most useful if you are considering an in-house role. If you are job hunting, pair it with Columbus Marketing Jobs, the weekly newsletter of curated marketing roles in Columbus.
19. Created Conference
The Created Conference is an annual event for Christian entrepreneurs and creatives, with early morning small-group coffees around Columbus. Andy has attended twice and met several creative agency leaders there, including two past guests of his podcast. Who it is for: Marketers of faith and anyone who wants to meet Columbus creative agencies.
Marketing groups in Columbus, Ohio built for marketers
The 19 groups above are general business rooms. Andy deliberately left his own community off the video so the ranking would not look biased, and he did not rank AMA Columbus either. Here are both, with that disclosure up front.
If you are asking which marketing groups or associations to join in Columbus, the short answer is AMA Columbus for professional development and Columbus Marketing Organization for peer relationships, leads, and jobs. Columbus Marketing Organization is a peer community for marketers, freelancers, and service providers in Columbus, Ohio, founded by Andy Milligan. Members share leads, introductions, and job opportunities, including the weekly Columbus Marketing Jobs newsletter.
AMA Columbus is the Columbus chapter of the American Marketing Association and describes itself as a community where marketers, founders, freelancers, students, and agencies share knowledge. Disclosure: Andy serves as its VP of Membership, and his podcast, Marketing by Design, is powered by AMA Columbus. Who it is for: Marketers who want structured professional development and a broad citywide network. See the AMA Columbus events calendar.
Columbus Marketing Organization is the community Andy founded for the people doing the work: freelancers, agency owners, in-house marketers, and service providers. It runs in-person Columbus marketing events, an online community, and the weekly jobs newsletter. Who it is for: Marketers who want a smaller room of peers at their stage, plus people one or two steps ahead. The trade-offs between open communities and closed peer groups are covered in our guide to marketing communities, and Andy explains why he started hosting agency leader lunches in his piece on the peer advisory group format.
Networking event tips that make any group worth it
Picking the right networking groups in Columbus is half the job. How you show up is the other half. These tips come straight from Andy's experience:
- Go ready to talk. Andy has paid for events, driven across town, and then not felt social. "Networking events, social events, conferences, things like this are very much you get what you pay for," he says. "So get uncomfortable, get talking to people, smile, have awkward conversations."
- Say yes early, narrow later. When you are starting out you do not know your ideal client yet, so meet as many business owners as you can. Over time, carve out a niche and spend your hours in the rooms where that client type shows up.
- Try one formal referral group. Even if it is not a long-term fit, a few months of 30-second commercials will sharpen how you describe your work.
- Give referrals, not just pitches. Structured groups reward members who bring introductions to the table.
- Play the long game. Andy calls networking a "slow burn" and "a long-term play." One event rarely produces a client, so judge a group on months of attendance, not a single morning.
For more on turning relationships into opportunities over time, read Andy's notes on professional networking in Columbus, Ohio. If you want to see how those relationships became revenue, his breakdown of his first year as a freelance marketer walks through every lead source.
Where to start this month
The networking groups in Columbus, Ohio that work best are the ones that match your geography, your clients, and your stage. If you only try three this month, pick your local chamber, one referral network such as Innovate New Albany or AmSpirit, and one industry room such as OhioX or AMA Columbus. Go to each at least twice before you judge it.
Then come meet the people doing the same work. See the next Columbus marketing event, or join the Columbus Marketing Organization community on Skool to meet members between events.
Most networking groups in Columbus will not move you forward an inch and probably are not worth your time, but a handful of them will.
Frequently asked questions
What is the best networking group in Columbus, Ohio for freelancers?
It depends on where your clients are. Andy Milligan's favorite for freelancers is Innovate New Albany, where he met several strong referral partners. Newer freelancers often get faster results from a small suburban chamber or a structured referral group like AmSpirit, where only one marketer can join each chapter.
Are chambers of commerce worth it for marketers in Columbus?
Yes, if you pick by geography. Andy recommends starting with a small local chamber such as Westerville, Worthington, or Dublin, where connections are tighter, then upgrading to the Columbus Chamber once you see results. The Columbus Chamber is the largest but also the most competitive room for a new freelancer.
Is AmSpirit Business Connections like BNI?
Yes. AmSpirit works much like BNI. Chapters meet every couple of weeks, members give a short 30-second commercial, and each chapter allows only one business per category. Andy spent almost two years in the Dublin chapter and recommends trying a formal referral group at least once.
What marketing groups or associations should I join in Columbus?
Start with AMA Columbus for professional development and Columbus Marketing Organization for peer relationships, leads, and jobs. Columbus Marketing Organization is a peer community for marketers, freelancers, and service providers in Columbus, Ohio, founded by Andy Milligan, and it publishes the weekly Columbus Marketing Jobs newsletter.
How long does it take for networking to pay off?
Expect months, not weeks. Andy describes networking in Columbus as a slow burn and a long-term play. One event rarely produces a client, so attend the same group several times, give referrals as well as asking for them, and judge each group on results over time.
Read the video transcript
Kind: captions Language: en Most networking groups in Columbus will not move you forward an inch and probably are not worth your time, but a handful of them will. And after several years of attending damn near all of them, I'm going to tell you in this video which ones are worth your time and which ones to skip. What's going on, friends? If you're new here, my name is Andy Milligan. I'm the founder of MMG Design Studio here in Columbus, Ohio. I run a small freelance marketing and web design studio right here in the city and I've attended just about every event you've ever heard of. In my first year as a freelance marketer in this city, I was able to make $200,000 of topline revenue. And that's not to toot my own horn. It's just to show you guys that I have been out and about and I've managed to meet enough people and add enough value to other businesses that I feel credible enough to make a list for you. I serve as the VP of membership at the AMA Columbus chapter. And I am also the founder of the Columbus Marketing Organization, which is my own group mastermind community for freelance marketers, but that's not even going to be on this list, so I'm not biased. Needless to say, I've sat in all the rooms that I'm about to take you to today. By the end of this video, you'll have a short list of networking events and groups in Columbus that are actually worth your time. Ranked by the ways I would rank them as a freelance marketer getting started, trying to hit the pavement, and get some clients of my own. In this video, there are 19 groups bucketed by the categories they actually fall in. Some are chambers of commerces, some are local business networks, and others are in the tech and startup scene. So, depending on your clients and the type of businesses that you work with, you can go ahead and skip to each of those three portions in the video. So, without further ado, let's dive on in. Section number one is the chambers of commerces. As a quick intro, chambers of commerces are geographically based. Usually every major city or subity suburban area has one. There's one in Warthingington. There's one in Dublin. There's a bigger one in Columbus. Kind of a collaboration aggregation of all the three. But depending on where you live, that's going to inform whether or not you should join. So number one, the Columbus Chamber of Commerce, the big dog. I was a member of the Columbus Chamber of Commerce for 2 years. And if you're going to join a chamber, this is probably the one I would recommend. It's by far the biggest one. It's got thousands of businesses within it. And if you are a freelance marketer, there's going to a lot of there's going to be a lot of businesses that need help. A membership gets you a dedicated account manager, which is not common among chambers, and it gets you access to events that aren't publicly listed on their website. If you're brand new to freelancing, maybe skip this cuz it's a very competitive landscape. Smaller chambers and more tighter connections are probably going to give you better ROI off the bat. Which leads us to number two, which is the Westerville Chamber. The Westerville Chamber is a very small but tightlyknit group. They often have free events. It's a very active community and Westerville is just one of the best suburbs in all of Columbus. If you're just getting started and you live or work on the north side of Columbus, I would he highly recommend giving this one a shot. Next up is the Worthington Chamber, which is the slightly westward friend of Westerville. Worthington, again, one of the best suburbs in Columbus. It's a growing ecosystem, a growing chamber. Highly recommend you check this out. I've been to two or three of their events and have had nothing but positive experiences. Number three, I alluded to it earlier, is the Dublin Chamber. Dublin, I would say in 2026 is growing the most. They have a lot of early morning events. They also have happy hours in the evenings, and they do a lot of stuff that's actually within the city, similar to the Columbus Chamber. If you live close to Dublin, this one's definitely worth a shot. The verdict for Chambers as a whole, though, stick with geography, start small, and if you see good results in your local chamber, then maybe upgrade to the Columbus one. Okay, on to section two. I'm calling these local business referral networks. The first one in this category is called connected networking group. Now, if you're very new to networking and just trying to meet as many people as possible, connect is going to be a great one for you. They have a lot of small events. A lot of people are newbies there, too. And it's really good to get out of your social element and get good at explaining what you do. It's a very most stakes environment. Connected is actually built specifically for small startups, freelancers, small businesses. They host a lot of co-working events, um, mixers, things in the evenings, and things that are very laid-back. The next one is Innovate New Albany. And I'll be honest with you guys, this is one of my favorites. There are a lot of credible highcaliber business owners that attend these things. They have they have lunch and learn workshops, also have evening events, too. They actually just relocated to the Brick House Blue in New Albany. It's a very nice environment. It's a very great co-working space, and it attracts good people. Most of their lunch and learn events, they call them tiger talks are free. Shout out to Neil who runs these and has been the awesome community member that he is. And if you're a freelancer Columbus, I've met a lot of really good referral partners here. Yeah, Innovate New Alb definitely worth a shot. Next up is Amspirit Business Connections. There are multiple chapters of these all across Ohio in the Midwest. I was a member of the Dublin chapter for almost 2 years before finally realizing that it wasn't the best for my business. But if again you are just getting started, it's a really good area. It's kind of like a BNI in the sense that each of the chapters you go every couple weeks you'll be putting out a presentation. They call it a 30 secondond commercial. You get to present your services, maybe a case study, something that adds value to the group. And there it's also good because there's only one category of service providers for each group in each chapter. So, for example, if you are a freelance marketer, you'll be the only marketer service provider that's at your chapter and there's less competition that way and it's easier to get clients. If you already have a big network and you know a lot of people, it's going to make it easy for you to give referrals to some of the other business owners that are there, which if you do, it's a good place to be. But if formal referral groups, again, I always recommend you try them at least once in order to just cut your teeth and get good at explaining what you do. That's a huge value in this stuff. But if formal referral groups make your skin crawl, might want to skip it. Next up is Columbus Young Professionals or CYP. I joined this when I was 23 years old, so I technically was a CYP, but don't let that name scare you guys away. It's not. They call it CYP just cuz it's a brand name. You don't have to be under a certain age to join or go to the workshops or the panels. My friend Dara Casey, shout out to her, is one of the biggest marketing leaders in Columbus. She has a great newsletter, by the way. Host some really awesome panels with marketing leaders here in Columbus. Technically, I think the guideline is to be under 40, but if you just want to stay up to the scenes, talk to some younger people, get a sense of the job market as a lot of people are entering. Few groups in Columbus are this diverse and have a event schedule roster like this. They're always consistent. I think they have multiple per week. So, definitely check out their website if you want to get out and about. Next up is H7. I have been to two of these events. It's a co-working space and community here in Ohio. Networking here usually happens pretty organically and I would say if it's most similar to one on this list, it's probably Amspirit. It's structured pretty similarly in the fact that they go around the circles you introduce who you are, what you do, and you get to meet other business owners. And I will say too, just as a caveat to all these, it's always a good activity to be in a place where you're meeting other business owners. As a freelancer, every business needs marketing and it's up to you to carve out a niche and add value to a specific client type over time. But again, if you're getting started, you don't know what that client type is. So, you're trying to meet as many business owners as possible, saying yes to a lot of things. And this exposure is good to start with. Next up is the DEC or the Dublin Entrepreneurial Center. This is located in downtown Dublin. It's a really big building. Uh they fund some startups that go into that space. So again, a lot of business owners in this place and some really larger, even funded and ventureback companies are within this building. Um, it's also a co-working space. So again, a lot of businesses come through here. They have accelerator programs, panels, and other things that happen on the weekends too. And again, similar to the Dublin Chamber, hire Romans if you're closer to Dublin, Ohio. Now on to section three, our final section. This is the tech and startup bucket. Columbus, Ohio is one of the best scenes in the country for startups and the events that back that up are completely up to that caliber as well. If your clients are in tech or if you have a network that's already within tech, these are going to be for you. Ohio X Morning Tech. Ohio X has a really good conference. I think they take place in the summer. I can't remember exactly. They have a monthly breakfast for tech professionals and it's a really good creative event. Attracts a really good crowd. There's a lot of funding that's going into tech these days and especially in Columbus. So, it's always good to potentially rub shoulders with people who are funding these companies or on the lookout for the next big idea. And at these breakfast too, they always establish a core theme. So, sometimes it's AI, sometimes it's machine learning, sometimes it's, you know, changing developments of topics that as marketers it is helpful to know about for our clients. If you're a marketer in tech, which I think a lot of us are these days, then this one's a great place to add to the list. Next up is Techlife Columbus. Techlife Columbus has meetups, workshops, and social events for the entire tech community. It is on a scale, it's a little bit less formal than Ohio X. Ohio X is kind of the not the gold standard, but I would say it's kind of the industry standard. And then Tech Life is sort of more startups, more beginners. And again, it still attracts a lot of business owners, but it's more the early stage crowd. Great for casual relationship building. Again, less structured, less educational, but the idea with a lot of these is to curate an event of like-minded people. So, I would still say this is worth adding to the list if you're in tech. Next up is Startup Columbus. Startup Columbus is a more of an online community and not so much. They do have Inerson events, but they're not as frequent. But, Startup Columbus is a great ecosystem where they have funny announcements, pitch competitions, and ecosystem news that are most pertinent to the Ohio Tech community. I would put this one on the back burner if I were you guys for now, but there's always going to be more competitive places to put your time for now. So, bookmark this. Next up is Product Camp Columbus. Product Camp is an annual conference for product managers. As marketers, it's always good to know product managers are either really good referral partners or the potential ICPs depending on what kind of marketing that you do, but I've always had a good experience at these events. Next up in section three is Rev One Ventures. Revlon Ventures is is one of the best VC firms here in Columbus aside from Drive Capital. Um they're one of the venture capital startup firms and also have the co-working space here at Columbus as well. As with anything in Unicorn and startup investing, it's useful if you're building something fundable or if you have a client to know someone here. But for most marketers, it's more of a top level awareness play. And if you can manage to get a funded client from here, that's honestly awesome. But it tends to be a pretty safeguarded environment. So, keep this one on the back burner for now. Section four is media and civic. These aren't networking events per se, but they are a good place to find other influential people in Columbus, which it never hurts to know. Number one is Columbus Business First. You probably know them as a media outlet, but they also have events, awards ceremonies, and panel discussions that tend to bring out some pretty heavy hitters in the Columbus ecosystem. If I were you, I would head to their website and bookmark and waste one of their events. I do think they're paid, but I would recommend going to one because it is worth it. Next up on this list in section four is the Columbus Metropolitan Club or the CMC. Of this entire list, this is the one that I have not actually been to, but I've heard good things from mutual connections. It's a weekly lunchon forum on policy things that are happening in Columbus and a good place to stay in touch with everything that's going on. The downside with these, again, not marketing centric, but the upside with this is they are people. The people that are coming to this thing are people that you would want to know. As with most networking or events, gatherings where you're meeting people, it's slow burn. It's a long-term play. So, don't let that discourage you from showing up in the first place. Our fifth and final section I'm calling specialty. These don't really fit into any of the first four categories, but they're still ones to keep on your radar. Number 18 is purpose jobs. Uh, I had a call with Hannah Slover, who was the lady that was running this, and I'm still on her email list, and they're still hosting events. So, they still have an active community, but they essentially are a talent marketplace for purpose-driven companies, startups, nonprofits, etc. If you are on the job hunt, if you have an inkling to maybe want to work in house and freelancing isn't for you, or if you are freelancing, still a good place to go. Um, it's Russ relevant for pure networking, but again, knowing more people is the main goal here. Last one on the list is the Parables and Created Conference. I think they've since rebranded to be just created connections or CCU. And the Created Conference is an annual event for Christian entrepreneurs and creatives. If you are religious or if you are of faith, they have a couple small group meetups. They have one in Worththing, one in Clintonville, Worthington, and I believe they have one in Grand View or German Village, one of those two. uh head to their website to check out which of their created coffees that they have. They have them very early in the mornings at 8 a.m. But the conference is a good one to to come to. I believe it's in Polaris, Ohio every year. This one is a good one for marketers because it's a lot of creative a creative agencies that go there. I went to two of the conferences and I enjoyed that. Met some really good people. Shout out to Jeremy Slaggel and Joe Depawitz, both guests of the podcast that I really enjoyed tiding with. and one of the and some of the creative leaders in Columbus are always at that conference. So, that was quite the list. Like I said, I've been doing this for a long time and I just wanted to run through and give the TLDDR of all of them just enough so that you can make a decision on your own, knowing the clients you serve or where you sit at and your current uh career level. Like I said, falling from job seeker to being super niche and tight on the clients that you serve. Now you know, now you have an entire radar of what's out there and a firsthand account of all of them. I'll end with a few tips for these events. Go ready to talk to people. There's a version of this where you go to networking events, and I have definitely made this mistake in the past where you pay for an event or you go and you drive a long way and you just aren't feeling social and you don't get as much out of it as you could. Networking events, social events, conferences, things like this are very much you get what you pay for. So get uncomfortable, get talking to people, smile, have awkward conversations. I promise you and my bank account and my business can verify it is very much worth it. Now, since you're watching this video, you're probably a Columbus-based marketer or freelancer looking to get more clients and grow their own business. I'll be hosting CMO events here shortly, so stay on the list for that by subscribing in the description below. But if you want to keep watching, check out this video right here where I go through my entire first full year of making 200K as a freelance marketer in Columbus. Everything I did, how I generated leads, conferences like this that I went to, what I did, the things that I said, and that'll be very helpful for you. Thank you for watching. Again, I'm Andy Milligan, and I hope to see you again soon. Cheers.